tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30694877.post115946901109723743..comments2023-10-28T11:29:07.881-03:00Comments on Politics from a New Brunswick perspective: Revisiting my mistakesnbpoliticohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09517401409653124082noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30694877.post-1159889074270681952006-10-03T12:24:00.000-03:002006-10-03T12:24:00.000-03:00A final note of explanation, yes, we understand th...A final note of explanation, yes, we understand that the provincial Tories and Libs are practically identical in terms of social conservatism/liberalism. <BR/><BR/>However the rationale of voting Lib rather than NDP provincially to stop the Tories is a concern that provincial Tory governments could begin to track more conservatively with the Harper gang in power. It's not a case of being mixed up, it's a case of being worried about future social trends and wanting to ensure liberal social values. Thanks for your comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30694877.post-1159584683953685532006-09-29T23:51:00.000-03:002006-09-29T23:51:00.000-03:008:06 PM, thank you for the correct URL. They do lo...8:06 PM, thank you for the correct URL. They do look chummy:) It looks Lord is in some other world. I suppose organizers in Romania did not realize that he is no longer going to be Premier and he got the seat next to Harper by default.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30694877.post-1159581164648908842006-09-29T22:52:00.000-03:002006-09-29T22:52:00.000-03:008:00 PM your mama did not even give correct link. ...8:00 PM your mama did not even give correct link. <BR/><BR/>Lord is a toast.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30694877.post-1159571162579039772006-09-29T20:06:00.000-03:002006-09-29T20:06:00.000-03:00oooh, a battle of the anon's..Your link is busted ...oooh, a battle of the anon's..<BR/><BR/>Your link is busted last anon. I think this is the photo you are talking about.<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/lrkhq<BR/><BR/>Lord will be running federally in the next election. Harper wouldn't be shunning him.JLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01731673049464953267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30694877.post-1159570832824073532006-09-29T20:00:00.000-03:002006-09-29T20:00:00.000-03:00Anon 5:38 PM,I guess the TV in your Mom's basement...Anon 5:38 PM,<BR/><BR/>I guess the TV in your Mom's basement didn't show the Francophonie conference table, where Lord is sitting right BESIDE Harper. Tough for Harper to shake his hand and keep going I guess wouldn't it.<BR/><BR/>Didn't see it? Here you go.<BR/><BR/>http://images.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2/20060929/500_ap_harper_060929.jpg<BR/><BR/>Idiot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30694877.post-1159562305738032642006-09-29T17:38:00.000-03:002006-09-29T17:38:00.000-03:003:07 PM sore loser eh! They showed lot more on T.V...3:07 PM sore loser eh! They showed lot more on T.V. where Harper just shook hands with Bernie like any other by-stander and kept moving. Eat your heart out. He is done. Kaput. You do not have to be rude. Bernie is going to be not even a footnote in history.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30694877.post-1159553273351335302006-09-29T15:07:00.000-03:002006-09-29T15:07:00.000-03:00Hey Anon 7:32,Lord ignored by Harper at La Francop...Hey Anon 7:32,<BR/><BR/>Lord ignored by Harper at La Francophonie? Sure seem to be a lot of photos of Lord and Harper conferring and having a laugh in today's Southam newspapers.<BR/><BR/>You wouldn't be talking out of your rear would you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30694877.post-1159548911585938332006-09-29T13:55:00.000-03:002006-09-29T13:55:00.000-03:00NBpolitico is bang on. There's very little differe...NBpolitico is bang on. There's very little difference between the Liberals and PC's provincially. I've argued many times that many of the Liberals in NB are more conservative than the PC's. <BR/><BR/>Federally is a different story and I'm not surprised NDP supporters might tend to vote Liberal. I'd vote Conservative if it meant keeping the NDP out of power. They scare the crap out of me with the tax and spend philosophy. So as you can see it goes both ways, just depends on your point of view.Spinkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10044519689330008751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30694877.post-1159545884000501402006-09-29T13:04:00.000-03:002006-09-29T13:04:00.000-03:00anon at 12:24..That is very interesting. I certai...anon at 12:24..<BR/><BR/>That is very interesting. I certainly understand that trend federally but both the provincial Liberals and Conservatives are moderately socially conservative.<BR/><BR/>(Both oppose expanded abortion access and both supported legislation to allow civil servants to refuse to perform gay marriages)<BR/><BR/>So I am not sure it would make sense for NDP supporters to vote that way in a provincial election, however it is possible that they are just getting mixed up but I can't imagine half of the NDP voter pool would be mixed up.nbpoliticohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09517401409653124082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30694877.post-1159543449761721922006-09-29T12:24:00.000-03:002006-09-29T12:24:00.000-03:00Hi guys,I posted anonymously on Spinks' blog about...Hi guys,<BR/><BR/>I posted anonymously on Spinks' blog about the NDP collapse and how it was tied to left nervousness about conservatism. <BR/><BR/>I was pretty much either dismissed or people said they just didn't understand the logic. Well, that's fair. However, I can only speak to my experience as a left-leaning person who has been a regular NDP voter and occasional Liberal voter, and whose large circle of friends (in the Fredericton-Silverwood riding) all tend to lean the same way. <BR/><BR/>It was an open topic of discussion among us. People who would've voted NDP Federally in February voted Lib because they are scared of Harper's socially conservative policies and needed a strong opposition, and people who would've voted Atchison this time voted for Rick Miles because they are nervous that Provincial tories could bolster or follow in step with those conservative federal policies.<BR/><BR/>People may not understand it, or may refuse to believe it, but I'd love to see province-wide polling that asks regular NDP voters *why* they turned to the Libs this time. I guarantee you, the "stop the social conservatives" factor is there and it's significant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30694877.post-1159532713714073012006-09-29T09:25:00.000-03:002006-09-29T09:25:00.000-03:00PNB -- re: your Woodstock analysis. You were right...PNB -- re: your Woodstock analysis. You were right on in every respect except you forgot one more reason:<BR/><BR/>d) Art Slipp looks Bubbles from the Trailer Park Boys and has campaigned several times as an NDPer. Carleton County people are traditionalists and they don't appreciate turncoats.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30694877.post-1159496354365229702006-09-28T23:19:00.000-03:002006-09-28T23:19:00.000-03:00"..Weir was careful to not win more seats to avoid..."..Weir was careful to not win more seats to avoid losing the limelight." Absolutely. She has huge ego. Then she was sell-out to Bernard Lord to take a plum job. I was disappointed with her. She could have retired and done any number of things but to be bought out in this manner does not impress me much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30694877.post-1159489666799758702006-09-28T21:27:00.000-03:002006-09-28T21:27:00.000-03:00Harrap - yes that priest was the candidate in Negu...Harrap - yes that priest was the candidate in Neguac. <BR/><BR/>Spinks - I agree Brewer is an awful leader and screwed the NDP but I think your description of the Weir years isn't quite right. <BR/><BR/>I think she could have won as many as 3 or 4 seats in some elections if she had targetted her campaign effectively. I've written about this other places before but I think Weir was careful to not win more seats to avoid losing the limelight.nbpoliticohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09517401409653124082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30694877.post-1159487475203797212006-09-28T20:51:00.000-03:002006-09-28T20:51:00.000-03:00lol, you're right Spinks, the NDP did give us alot...lol, you're right Spinks, the NDP did give us alot to write and talk about ;)Harraphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02479513663195266323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30694877.post-1159487428229867722006-09-28T20:50:00.000-03:002006-09-28T20:50:00.000-03:00Miramichi Bay-Neguac was a surprise (I believe dur...Miramichi Bay-Neguac was a surprise (I believe during part of the night they were even running second).<BR/><BR/>Was that the riding where a Catholic Priest was the NDP candidate? I remember a Catholic Priest (who gave the party its best showing in this election) was complaining that Brewer's history as Director of the Morgentaller Clinic made it hard for him to win over Catholic voters... which makes one wonder, what would have been the result in that riding had Brewer NOT been the NDP leader?Harraphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02479513663195266323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30694877.post-1159483306192956202006-09-28T19:41:00.000-03:002006-09-28T19:41:00.000-03:00Once the NDP couldn't fill the 55 seats the writin...Once the NDP couldn't fill the 55 seats the writing was on the wall. Elizabeth Weir was popular and she couldn't win more than one seat. Allison Brewer is one of those candidates who tend to polarize people one way or the other. Factor that in in a province where the NDP have yet to gain any significant toehold and they didn't have a chance. You kept the faith though harrap and hey we had something to write about in what was otherwise a dull campaign.Spinkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10044519689330008751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30694877.post-1159482721945632492006-09-28T19:32:00.000-03:002006-09-28T19:32:00.000-03:00On an unrelated topic I was surprised that Shawn G...On an unrelated topic I was surprised that Shawn Graham asked Bernard Lord to go to Francophonie conference. Lord should have been gracious and let Graham go. But it turned out ok. It looks he was ignored at the conference including by Harper. It serves him right and his egotistic personality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30694877.post-1159478017960029272006-09-28T18:13:00.000-03:002006-09-28T18:13:00.000-03:00Well I think I thought the NDP vote would slip but...Well I think I thought the NDP vote would slip but not nearly as much.<BR/><BR/>I had them at about 7 to 8% but they did well in places I didn't expect (Miramichi Bay-Neguac) and way worse in places than I expected (Fredericton-Silverwood and Fredericton-Lincoln).<BR/><BR/>Never in a million years would I have guessed Brewer would get less than 20% and the same goes for Atchison.nbpoliticohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09517401409653124082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30694877.post-1159474015967589042006-09-28T17:06:00.000-03:002006-09-28T17:06:00.000-03:00It's strange though, alot of people I talk too wer...It's strange though, alot of people I talk too weren't at all surprised by the complete collapse in the NDP vote... was it just me who thought the NDP could do better?<BR/><BR/>NDP'ers tend to have a pretty loyal core of voters who stay with the party in good times and bad... but this didn't seem to be entirely the case in this election.Harraphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02479513663195266323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30694877.post-1159473922140572852006-09-28T17:05:00.000-03:002006-09-28T17:05:00.000-03:00and bloggers seemed to be saying that this was a r...<I>and bloggers seemed to be saying that this was a race between Green and Atchison so, I jumped on the bandwagon.</I><BR/><BR/>I was one of those bloggers ;)<BR/><BR/>Frankly the extent of the NDP collapse was surprising. <BR/><BR/>On another riding, I thought Fredericton-Lincoln would go Liberal would be because of the Byrne-factor (much as Ed Broadbent delivered Ottawa-Centre (a safe Liberal seat) to the NDP in the 2004 federal election). Overall though, I believe Broadbent did have less than 40% of the vote but a margin of 6,000 votes over Mahoney -- I was seeing a similar scenario in Fredericon-Lincoln... now I'm thinking even without Byrne the Liberals would have won Fredericton-Lincoln.Harraphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02479513663195266323noreply@blogger.com